79 - When Your Sins Find You Out

When a tech CEO was caught on a stadium Kiss Cam with someone who wasn’t his wife, the internet turned it into a meme fest. Behind the laughs is a sobering reminder: in a hyperconnected world, double lives don’t stay hidden. This episode explores integrity, hidden sin, and the toll of compartmentalized living. We reflect on Numbers 32:23—“be sure your sin will find you out”—and how this truth surfaces in our daily choices.

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Speaker 1 0:05

Welcome to the Exhorter podcast, where we aim to stir up love and good works through bite-sized biblical discussion. This time, yeah, we did the intro just one at a time so we could get it right.

Speaker 2 0:19

Oh, because last time I listened to that episode, this morning.

Speaker 1 0:23

Yeah, it was okay, you guys did a good job.

Speaker 2 0:25

We didn't aim to stir up love, we just stirred up. We just stirred it up Maybe we should remove that because that's what we're doing now.

Speaker 1 0:31

Action is better than goals? Right, we need goals. Yeah Well, this time, Kyle, I think you are leading our topic. What are we going to be talking about today?

Speaker 3 0:53

Either that or he's planning singing tonight. I've got the old sacred selection songbook out and number 564 is watching you all along on the road to the soul's true abode. There's an eye watching you. Every step that you take, this great eye is awake. There's an eye watching you, watching you, watching you, watching you wake. There's an eye watching you, watching you, watching you, watching you Every day, mind the course you pursue. Watching you, watching you. There's an all-seeing eye watching you.

Speaker 1 1:12

Reminds me of Every Step you Take.

Speaker 3 1:16

Yeah, I was going to sing a few bars, but I don't have the singing acumen as John. That's the creepy police stalking song.

Speaker 2 1:25

I was singing the P Diddy version. The P Diddy version.

Speaker 1 1:29

That's up the octave. I was thinking.

Speaker 3 1:31

That song is. It's a little humorous to me now, just the way I was talking to someone the other day who said their mom used to sing that to them anytime they were acting naughty or misbehaving is don't forget, there's the all seeing eye watching you. He sees everything. And I instantly started thinking about images like Frodo and Sam trying to navigate through uh the, the marshes and in uh deserts of Mordor with the all seeing eye of Sauron, always watchful, always looking for the ring, and that there's this constant idea that you're always being watched and you're going to be spotted. And there's plenty of scriptures that talk about that how God will call into judgment everything we've done on earth, and that there is a truth where God is always watching.

Speaker 3 2:17

And I think that really came to light a couple of weeks ago with and I always laugh at what makes one clip viral and another irrelevant. And why did this one become the focal point of everyone's social media? Well, I'm talking about Andy Byron, the CEO of the tech company Astronomer, who was caught on Kiss Cam at the Coldplay concert and holding another woman in his arms that was not his wife and accidentally getting exposed. His little extramarital affair was exposed for the whole world to see and the way they reacted, being shocked when they noticed they were on camera. And so I mean, really quickly, I just want to ask each of you guys what's the funniest reaction you saw to that?

Speaker 1 3:03

Of the different meme.

Speaker 3 3:04

Yeah, so for me it's with all the creepiness of Pedro Pascal, who is very handsy with his co-stars and interviews, because he has anxiety.

Speaker 2 3:13

Well, the CEO, andy Byron, should have just said he has anxiety and she was the nearest woman, so I've seen a lot of stuff like that.

Speaker 3 3:20

Do you guys see anything like that too?

Speaker 2 3:22

I saw the mascot of the Phillies baseball team.

Speaker 3 3:27

Yes.

Speaker 2 3:27

Oh my goodness, it was hilarious. They did a reenactment. They had two of them, one was a guy, one was a gal, you know mascot, and then they put them up on kiss cam and it was. It was pretty funny. It was pretty funny, made me laugh. That's my favorite.

Speaker 1 3:42

John, what's yours? I made me laugh. That's my favorite. John, what's yours?

Speaker 2 3:45

I don't watch a lot of social media, so stop it Lies.

Speaker 3 3:47

I mean I'll fill in for John. I saw one of Obi-Wan and Padme getting caught on.

Speaker 1 3:51

That's funny yeah it was.

Speaker 3 3:53

I think it was an AI. I I'm getting frustrated by how real AI is becoming these days. So that was definitely these days. So that was definitely. It looks more real than reality. That's how you know, but my point is we're quick to go to humor. That's why I wanted to bring it up. Is for one is was rose looking for good laugh on this show, but it is a sad situation though, isn't it? Well, I mean, he was married with kids, and I believe she was as well, and oh, I didn't know that she was.

Speaker 1 4:16

Well, that's the thing is is, I feel like, I understand, I understand that sometimes public shame is just the consequence of you know people's actions, and but in another respect too, I was just going, I was just thinking about how, uh, how viral it is and how it just brings all their family members and everyone just shoved into the limelight of this tragedy of you know what befalling this family.

Speaker 2 4:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1 4:43

And I feel like, yeah, that may just be like, maybe like they got more than seven seconds of air time on this. This has been going for weeks it's still strong. So that's the thing that feels weird is like it's a little much, a little heavy and lingering on, but honestly that's it gives us a good podcast uh conversation, because that you know it's still strong and there are consequences to one's actions.

Speaker 2 5:09

Yeah, there's always a camera on somewhere nowadays.

Speaker 3 5:13

Well, that's what I'd like to sort of talk about is just what can we learn from this story here? That was just everyone's talking about it, and I take an elephant in the room approach to preaching. Sometimes, if something is on everybody's mind or something is like so ubiquitous that we all know or we've all seen or heard about it, then I'm not going to pretend like it's not something worth discussing from a biblical perspective, but it seems like people were quick to jump to humor and almost like people just reveled in this like well, he's rich, he's elite, so we can make fun of him. It's you know, we're not punching down, we're punching up. And I just wonder, why is that?

Speaker 3 5:54

And my mind was drawn to Matthew, chapter 7. Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye and not consider the plank in your own eye? Now, I'm not trying to say that having an affair with a coworker and getting caught is just a speck in your eye, but why do we like to draw attention to other people's sins? I almost wonder if people are just let's draw attention to how awful this is.

Speaker 1 6:16

So I don't have to we had an episode about this one.

Speaker 3 6:18

Yeah, so I don't have to really Mike.

Speaker 1 6:19

Pantrell Shot and frugging.

Speaker 2 6:26

Oh, shot and frugging. Oh shot and frugging. We've had multiple episodes about this one he broke. He broke several exhorter podcast rules. Didn't follow the mike pence rule. Yeah, go that, we're well. Opportunity for shot and freud yeah, that's his fault.

Speaker 1 6:37

Yeah, I. Um, I don't think. I don't think we're supposed to revel in in the misfortune of right, and I think that's kind of what the point you're saying, even though I did some of that by asking for what's the funniest thing you saw about it.

Speaker 3 6:50

But I just wanted to point out that we've all, like it's been in all our news feeds, like even John, who doesn't even get on social media, knew about it. And so just let's sort of take a more sobering look at this. Like, what are some lessons we can learn? I think the most obvious one is this idea that Numbers chapter 32 is a famous scripture A lot of people have been referencing in the aftermath of this.

Speaker 3 7:12

When you look at the tribes that and I always forget who was it was it Reuben, yeah, reuben, and Gad. They wanted to settle east of the Jordan River in Deuteronomy, or Numbers 32. And said well, you know, I know it's not the promised land per se, but we like it here. And so Moses said sure, but you better come fight for your brethren when it's their turn to fight for their slice of the promised land, you better show up and help them out. And he says here these famous words in verse 23,. But if you do not do so, then take note you have sinned against the Lord and be sure your sin will find you out. And so that's one of the most sobering truths about this is, when we get away with something, it almost just makes us more bold to keep doing it.

Speaker 2 8:10

It always follows you. I don't think we ever really get away. Well, of course we don't ever really get away with it. God can see everything. But even within ourselves, I think that if we have any sort of conscience, we don't get away with it. It takes its toll, it takes its effect on us.

Speaker 3 8:27

So and that's another question I had is is it a good thing when you get caught? I mean we're looking at it and thinking this guy's life is ruined now. I mean he did it to himself, so we're not feeling too sorry. But is there a sense where you could maybe in time say I'm glad I got caught? I wonder people in those situations if they ever come to that realization like how much longer would I have gone on doing? I guess that assumes he has a conscience that would convict him of doing something wrong. But for a Christian, you know, we resent it when we get caught, and I've known people that that that were caught doing some pretty, pretty shameful things, pretty awful things stealing money, embezzling money. You know, of course there's, there's plenty of affairs or plenty of people I've known that have had pornography addictions and been, you know, exposed, exposed, caught in the act or whatever.

Speaker 1 9:17

Yeah, and so of course the initial reaction is going to be and I think, I think I heard that that that CEO is uh, suing coldplay, uh over over this, like uh, you know because, because it's costing so much, I guess the whole thing is, there's like these big signs when you walk into the stadiums and say, uh, you're not, they're basically we, we do them for media and for marketing everything uh, it's a, it's a general acknowledgement that you're being filmed. Yeah, you are giving your release for that, and so basically there's a general acknowledgement that you're being filmed and you are giving your release for that, and so basically there's no grounds for that.

Speaker 2 9:49

When you buy the tickets. I'm sure there's something on there. There is something. You're being filmed.

Speaker 1 9:54

Yeah, literally they were completely covered on that space. But then I think that they're going for a defamation thing.

Speaker 2 10:04

When you get punched in the mouth, you want to punch back.

Speaker 1 10:05

Yeah, yeah Well, you want to justify some sort of I mean, honestly, I get when you're cornered and people Sure, You're like you want to fight back.

Speaker 1 10:15

Yeah, this one reminds me of the just Luke 12, two, three, just the nothing is covered up that won't be revealed, and there's plenty of verses out there that talk about nothing's not revealed to God. But specifically, I think that that's something we should already know, but that doesn't really stop us. Majority of people think that they live private lives, but will acknowledge that they'll act differently around different people all the time, and so I don't think the idea of us having private lives doesn't really exist anymore. It doesn't really stay that way. And I can't imagine isn't that the cognitive dissonance of not being able to live two different truths? You can't do it. You can't live two different truths, your brain can't do it. At some point in time you probably have psychological or emotional issues and depression or just anxiety or other things, trying to live a life where you're kind of, you know, living two different, duplicitous.

Speaker 2 11:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:29

And so I I don't think it's. That's why I feel like nothing is ever hidden, because I don't think that we're designed to to live a life that is not authentic. Integrity and integrity, yeah, so I think that that's. That's one of the things that we should. We should gain from this as well as as one might try to do that, but I don't think biologically and emotionally and I don't psychologically. I don't think we can. I think it always comes, turns out.

Speaker 3 11:59

So there's one lesson is the idea that that God sees all that there is. There's nothing hidden from his sight. There are plenty of stories of people that tried to run away from God, like Jonah.

Speaker 1 12:08

There's nowhere you can go to hide from God, so that-. David and Bathsheba yeah. So there's, this fear I'll come back to David and Bathsheba.

Speaker 3 12:15

But there's this fear of judgment, this understanding of the all-seeing eye that your sins will find you out, that you get away with it, and that only makes you more bold. But it's going to get exposed at some point, and wouldn't you rather be the one to? I'd rather confess it rather than have it explode Like it. So, anyway, there's that one lesson, but then also maybe there's this idea that you're talking about John, that that there's there's an internal cost, that that if we're living a lie, we're hiding sin, and Achan is such a good example of this in Joshua, chapter 7.

Speaker 2 12:54

Isn't there a passage in James that talks about a double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways.

Speaker 3 12:59

Yes, chapter 1. But we're in Joshua, chapter 7 right now.

Speaker 2 13:02

Oh, I'm so sorry, focus man. Okay, yeah, that's the other end of the Bible. Look that one up. That's in James chapter 1.

Speaker 3 13:06

The other end of the Bible. Look that one up. That's in James, chapter one. No, but what Achan's such a good illustration of this is?

Speaker 3 13:12

He took something and was trying to keep it secret. Do you guys remember where that? Was it a gold object? Do you remember where it was? Where it was discovered Under his tent? Was he really even enjoying it? No, and so you take some Well, he planned to later.

Speaker 3 13:34

But I mean, you take something and the effort to keep it secret and hidden. I think the novelty wears off pretty quick. And then there's also this idea of you're living this lie and a hidden life and you think it's sort of internalized in that there's no collateral damage. Well, we talked about it hurts yourself. So there's, you know, just trying to compile a list of lessons in my mind, there's the all-seeing eye. Nothing is hidden from God.

Speaker 3 14:02

There's an internal consequence for you with this cognitive dissonance and living a lie and the shame you feel and you don't even get to really enjoy it.

Speaker 3 14:11

And I would say an affair is one of those things that for people would be initially fun but that wears off and it's not the same as working through the challenges of a marriage and the satisfaction of being with someone for your entire life, if that's what you're blessed to have, I think, is a real blessing rather than just a temporary but fading sense of excitement. And so there's a toll on yourself, but then also there's collateral damage for other people. Akin stole the forbidden items and buried them. So what's the point? You're not selling it for the money, you're not displaying it, it's just hidden under the ground. But then his family got caught up in it and his entire family was basically put to death. People are like well, that's really harsh. Yeah, it is, but there was a consequence for his actions no-transcript conceived died, and that started a downward spiral that was the point of which things kept getting worse for him and for the kingdom of Judah. So there's always going to be consequences.

Speaker 2 16:05

Other people are going to be hurt, even if not that bad, but you just don't realize how, how deep that can go and how big those consequences can be, and how, how wide and long lasting the effects of those sinful choices can can really be, and just how it breaks. I'm I mean, I think, for a person with a, with a conscience, if you know you made a mistake like that, how, how, how do you live with yourself like that? That would be so, um, that would be just a very, very difficult thing to do.

Speaker 1 16:38

but you have to realize, you have to, you have to realize you made a mistake and admit it you know, and I don't want to, like, dilute the idea of the, the focus on this specific story and in adultery and and that, but I also try to think about, okay, in its everyday aspect. For most of us, we're not, you know, caught up in adultery about the idea of living an authentic life in general and how are we the same type of person?

Speaker 1 17:05

Do we have the same language, the same character? As we do at work than as we do at home, as we do with our friends, as we do online, as we do at the?

Speaker 2 17:18

church, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 17:19

Like do we live a life where we are just authentically the same person across all these places yeah them, but we're also not like shining our light as bright as we can in all the same aspects. Does that make sense? I think so, Because I think it's like if you have, let's say, you were to get your coworkers, your church friends together, your not in church friends together, and they're all. Everyone is invited to your birthday party or something like that. Are they going to all mesh because they know you are?

Speaker 1 18:12

they going to you know, like are these? You know do the same way. Is that necessary? Is it okay to compartmentalize your life like that is that important? Or I just think for some reason it helps when you you live your life more openly.

Speaker 1 18:32

The same in every yeah, because you're not then shy about bringing up your beliefs and your faith at work or within the context of not getting fired or being impressive with it. But also your language and the types of jokes and things that you have with friends that aren't in the church won't offend that church friend that you bring along with you and just things like that.

Speaker 1 19:02

Who do they expect you to be? Is your character the same in all these groups? I think having that basis of living that life authentically in all those respects, I think that that's like a good foundation for trying to stave off a lot of these issues that you'd have where you start trying to hide certain aspects of you or your life from others and then sin. Obviously That'd be an easy place to do it If you're living compartmentalized life. It'd be really easy to hide your sin in the different areas of that.

Speaker 2 19:34

Yeah, Does that make?

Speaker 1 19:35

sense, am I my string pulling us into a different direction, or no, I know I like, I like that.

Speaker 3 19:41

Take on it yeah.

Speaker 2 19:42

Yeah, I think what you're saying is if you are the same person with every group that you interact with it's a whole lot easier.

Speaker 1 19:55

Yeah, is that easy to do? Is that something you guys? I mean that Kyle. I feel like it's easier for you to do that because your work friends are the same as you like. Where are you going to have friends that aren't a part of the church and you know relationships outside of the church? I mean, preacher's going to have that thing, but, nate, do you think that that's the same? Do you feel like that's different? Is that an issue for people?

Speaker 2 20:13

Oh, I think it's an issue. I mean, I can see it as an issue with myself. Uh, not that I'm necessarily like you know, uh totally one way over here and then. You know 100% not that way. But I probably am more lax with certain people than with others. You know there's boundaries that you that like. For instance, I may be a little bit more honest with you guys than with a coworker.

Speaker 2 20:42

When I say honest, I mean share a little bit more about myself. Yeah, open with you guys than I would be with someone at work.

Speaker 1 20:50

But you're not seen as someone different to them. I don't think so you still present yourself in the character that you are presenting to me.

Speaker 2 21:01

You don't present something different. You don't want to be Walter White from Breaking Bad. I have been thinking about him this whole episode like two lives, oh my goodness. And that's the cognitive dissonance. It doesn't there you go.

Speaker 1 21:10

I have been thinking about it in this whole episode like two lives, oh my goodness. And that's the cognitive distance. It doesn't work out for him. I don't know.

Speaker 2 21:14

I haven't gotten that far.

Speaker 1 21:15

No, you haven't no. I know the story at least. Oh, okay, I've read about it on Wikipedia.

Speaker 2 21:21

Sure, I mean.

Speaker 3 21:24

Well, psalm 32 is another one that comes to my mind. In the aftermath of David's sin he said when I kept silent, my bones grew old though my groaning all the day long. For all day and night your hand was heavy upon me. My vitality was turned into the drought of summer. So David kept and we know initially he hid the sin and tried to conceal the sin. And he says it. It just took a toll on me. It took away my vitality, my I was just drained, like like summer drought. And then he says I acknowledged my sin to you and my iniquity I have not hidden. I said I will confess my transgression to the Lord and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. And I think that is what I hope people will learn from this that you don't want to be caught. But it's not like you're getting away with anything right now. Either you'll get caught sooner than later or you'll face God. And if we live this double life and if you're trying to hide sin, you're setting yourself up for some disaster when your sin does find you out, or just it's going to eat away at you living a lie. God didn't make us to exist that way. And so the answer when we hide away sin is we suffer and others suffer, no matter how stubbornly we think that's not the truth. Others suffer when we sin and the longer we conceal it, the longer we hide it away, the longer we bury it. We're just setting ourself up and others for some sort of future disaster. It'll just keep getting worse. And so David said I wasted away, but when I confessed and that's what David prayed for is create in me a clean heart. Now I do want to come back before we end this podcast I do want to talk about. So you said how does someone live with themselves? What do you do? That's something you asked Nate, and I would say that what we just read there is you confess your sin to God. You acknowledge your sin. Instead of hide it, you expose it. But that does bring up a question Does that fix everything? I want to come back to that one in just a second, but really quick.

Speaker 3 23:35

I'm also drawn to Adam and Eve, and the very first sin, I think, is meant to be like a stereotype of pretty much all sin. Afterwards they covered it up when God showed up in the garden after they ate of the fruit. They were hiding. They had made crude coverings to try and hide their nakedness because now they had shame, and I always love the way that's worded. Who told you you were naked? Isn't it obvious? Like we just are. But I always just find that funny, that funny. He's like who told you you were naked? But they had tried to cover themselves, and very poorly, I might add. God had to make something, a better covering for them, and that that's always the point that again, this is supposed to be stereotypical of of all sin that it's in our nature to feel shame, hide, conceal, try to cover up, but we never do a good job at it and it just strains the relationship between us and other people and between us and God. God makes the perfect covering and that's the lesson is, it's in our nature. We're like Adam and Eve in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 24:43

I'm not guilty of Adam's sin, but I'm a descendant of Adam. I sin because I make bad choices, because I make selfish choices in my instinct that I have to fight against, because it's in my nature. But my instinct is lie about it, cover it up, hide it, pretend like it didn't happen, minimize the consequences of it. I'm not hurting anybody. It's a victimless crime you say those things to try and justify it. Hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime. You say those things to try and justify it. You're really just trying to bury it away and hide, like Adam and Eve.

Speaker 3 25:15

But the point from that Psalm we just read, and from other passages like 1 John, 2, chapter 1 and chapter 2, if you confess your sin, he's faithful to forgive. But you have to acknowledge your sin Rather than hide it. You have to confess it. That's where it begins. So resist that temptation to live the double life. And if you're caught in that double life, you're better to rip the band-aid off and expose the sin now in a way which you choose to do. But are there still going to be consequences?

Speaker 2 25:47

Yeah, you know? Yes, unfortunately, but it's kind of like the old adage you know when was the best time to plant a tree 20 years ago? When's the second best time today? It would have been good if you had copped to your mistake whenever you first made it, rather than, you know, continuing in it or covering it with lies. But when's the second best time now, like, get it off your chest and and confess and. Uh, your chest and and confess and uh. James says uh in James five, uh 16,. Therefore, confess your sins to each other and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man accomplishes much. You know, we, we need to get that sin out of our lives, um, and and get it off of our our chest and and uh, and and pray for each other so that we can be spiritually healed and then move on.

Speaker 3 26:40

Yeah, Is this guy from the Coldplay concert. Is his marriage going to be restored? I would doubt it.

Speaker 2 26:48

Yeah.

Speaker 3 26:50

Is he ever going to have, I mean does? Is this going to derail his career, perhaps?

Speaker 2 26:55

Is he going to kill the cameraman? Perhaps yeah, yeah, well, I'm just thinking of like David with Bathsheba right David killed, had Uriah killed, like who did the worst? Who did the worst thing?

Speaker 3 27:07

right and the child? There's still a consequence. The child did not survive, yeah, and he grieved that.

Speaker 1 27:15

Even though it was not the right way to bring a child into the world, he still grieved the loss of of his unborn child and and I think there are, is collateral damage out there, but I think, um, most of the time it's, it's uh well, I don't know if most of the time I can see there being a lot of collateral damage out there well, manasseh is a really good example, one of the worst kings in all of Judah's history.

Speaker 3 27:38

I mean in 2 Kings. It talks about how he filled the streets with blood. He was just bloodthirsty, violent. Yet in Chronicles, 2 Chronicles says he was taken away prisoner by the king of Assyria. It says he was taken away prisoner by the king of Assyria, but in his imprisonment he prayed to God to receive his entreaty and God heard his supplication and brought him back to Jerusalem into his kingdom. And Manasseh knew that the Lord was God. And after this he built a wall around the city of David and he cleansed out all the foreign gods and the idols from the house of the Lord. So he did a lot of good things. Nevertheless, the people still sacrificed on the high places. So Manasseh turned it around. So he turned it around after being essentially the worst king they'd ever had from a moral standpoint.

Speaker 3 28:24

Yet when you go to the end of the narrative for Judah, right before they're destroyed by Babylon, second Kings, chapter 24 in verse three, says surely, at the commandment of the Lord, this came upon Judah, their destruction to remove them from his sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done.

Speaker 3 28:41

So he turned it around in a personal sense, but there was collateral damage, but he was not going to right the ship. All the damage he had caused to the nation was irreversible. You might live a double life and get caught and have this come to Jesus moment, but the damage you cause to your children, the damage you cause to your church, the damage you cause to your family, friends, to other loved ones, you know, that's where the consequences sometimes seem irreversible. And so, yes, there is always grace from God and that is part of the equation. But that's why it's so important to think, to see these stories and, rather than just turn it into something to kind of laugh at or turn into a meme for your amusement, to look at and really learn the lesson of don't fall for that lie, don't fall for the double life, because you're going to set yourself up and others for what could be irreversible damage.

Speaker 1 29:45

There's the worst one, the more irrational one, which Ananias and Sapphira felt in Acts 5, which is lying to God and the Holy Spirit. At the end of the day, it seems irrational that someone would do that you know and pretend to be better than they are, when God knows exactly what and who they are. At the end of the day, you know they own their own consequences of that, which is why I say you know a lot of times maybe it's not it's not collateral damage. Sometimes it just happens right to you.

Speaker 3 30:18

And they were both. They were both given a chance to clear, clear the air, expose their sin, and would there still have been consequences? Yes, but I don't. I think God would have spared their life if they were both given the chance. Tell the truth.

Speaker 1 30:34

Oh yeah, Is that pride vanity? Is it not wanting your character to be exposed to others? There's lots of different reasons why someone might do that.

Speaker 3 30:45

It's like everything comes back to SpongeBob, and one of the best episodes ever is called Hooked, where Patrick takes SpongeBob to the carnival, but it's really just the fishing grounds. There's all these hooks with his free cheese and SpongeBob's like. Well, mr Crab said, if you get hooked, they pull you up and they'll eat you, or they'll put you in a gift shop and dry you out.

Speaker 1 31:04

No, he rides it up and down.

Speaker 3 31:05

No, you just drop right before you get to the top and then SpongeBob gets his pants hooked and he's like I'm going to die, I'm going to die, but it's all those times that they got away with it.

Speaker 1 31:15

Yeah, it just made them think they keep doing it, which is really funny, because if you know anything about odds, like rolling a dice or anything like this the more times you get away from it with it, or the more times the odds are in your favor, the increased chances of it yeah. Exponentially, yeah, favor the increased chances of it. Yeah, you're failing are. Yeah, exponentially, yeah, yeah, like you're literally just waiting for it to go bad.

Speaker 2 31:40

You know like it will. Yeah, it will go bad. If the chances are one and two that the bad thing happens and you do it once, well, what's gonna happen? The second time likely.

Speaker 1 31:46

A lot of times people roll the dice on that one they don't understand. You know math, math and how that works, or morality.

Speaker 2 31:55

And the Proverbs teach us so much about like the foolish person and how it's detrimental to themselves and to those around them and that even if they succeed in the short run, they'll fail in the long run. Like, making sinful choices is just foolish and it will come back to bite you, whether it's now or tomorrow or next week or, you know, a hundred years from now. And this picture keeps coming to my mind. I read it in a Stephen Covey book where he talked about principles and I don't think he was necessarily talking about big biblical principles. But we'll talk about biblical principles. Right, like doing the right thing. We'll talk about biblical principles. Right, like doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 32:37

We can commit sin and quote, break God's law or break, you know, god's principles. But but really we aren't breaking God's principles, we're breaking ourself against them, and we may not think about that when we are committing the sin, but over time it's like beating ourselves up and we beat ourselves up and we beat ourselves up and pretty soon we're a different person, as as a result of that like that passage in James, chapter one, you know, a double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways. It's going to change who you are.

Speaker 3 33:13

I can wrap it up now. I've got a good closer. Get her done.

Speaker 2 33:17

Kyle.

Speaker 3 33:19

Well, that's certainly a lot of.

Speaker 3 33:21

That's certainly a lot of good application from what was simply a viral meme that went everywhere and was on everyone's newsfeed.

Speaker 3 33:29

But it is a story that is very cautionary, and there are many lessons we should be learning from this being careful not to revel in somebody else's downfall, but rather taking a sobering look in the mirror and making sure we're not headed in that same direction.

Speaker 3 33:45

I'd like to finish by thinking about the words of Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12. He says in verse 1, remember your creator in the days of your youth, before the days of trouble come in the year's approach, when you say I find no pleasure in them. And then, a little bit later in that chapter, he says here is the conclusion of the matter Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind, for God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. I like this summary that I came across that says good, though done with toil, the toil soon passes and the good long will remain. Evil, though done with pleasure, the pleasure soon passes and the evil long will remain. There is an all-seeing eye watching everything we do. Let's live our life wide open.

Speaker 2 34:38

I can't do that. Life wide open.

Speaker 3 34:43

Let's live a life, Come on.

Speaker 2 34:44

Kyle, I got to know that inside joke.

Speaker 3 34:47

Let's live a life of integrity and be genuine people. When we sin, don't double down and bury it. Take it to God, expose it. He's faithful and will forgive. There may be consequences, but it's better to do it now, because your sins will find you out.

Speaker 2 35:06

Well, kyle, thanks for a great episode. Um, god is always watching us and uh, sin is is much worse and more powerful than we think, and uh, we should just avoid it at the outset, uh, but if we have sin on our hearts and in our, in our lives, and confess it now and uh, get rid of it and uh and change. So if you found value in uh in today's episode, if it's been helpful for you, please like, share, subscribe Um and we will. Subscribe Um and we will. Uh, I would say we'll see you on the next episode, but we won't and you won't see us either. But, um, hopefully you'll listen.

Speaker 3 35:44

And if you've sinned you know who I'm talking to. Right, I'm talking directly to you. You know who you are. You better confess it, because we know what you did? We saw it and we'll tell everybody. He gave us the tape, so you better confess it.

Speaker 2 36:03

Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, santa Claus is coming to town.

Speaker 1 36:06

Yeah, hey, do you think that if Anakin was just open about his marriage to Padme, was just open about his marriage to Padme, then he would have had the support and help from people around him when he knew that she was going to die? She only died because of his stupidity.

Speaker 3 36:23

No, she died because she was sad.

Speaker 1 36:25

It was self-fulfilling prophecy.

Speaker 3 36:26

Who is the worst Jedi of all time? And there's only one correct answer.

Speaker 1 36:31

Yeah, ki-adi-mudi.

Speaker 3 36:33

That dude had like 12 wives, so it's like total hypocrite Come on. Anakin has just one wife.

Speaker 1 36:41

I didn't even know that He'd be fine with that Run to the Sith. It was a great movie. Ki-adi-mundi is seriously the worst Jedi ever. Have you seen the Revenge of the Sith? Nate what's that? Have you seen the Revenge of the Sith? I've seen all nine.

Speaker 2 36:52

Yeah, yeah, I probably fell asleep, just perfectly, I probably fell asleep.

Speaker 1 36:57

What do you think of Revenge of the Sith? Do you like it? Oh, that's the one that I was talking about before this episode. That's what you call a lead-in.

Speaker 2 37:04

Yeah, boom, see Boom that previous clip. So we end at the beginning.

Speaker 1 37:13

Circular reasoning.

Speaker 3 37:14

You guys are smart. It's like a snake eating its own tail.

Speaker 1 37:17

We end at the beginning. I do, I'll go back.

Speaker 3 37:25

Where the?

Speaker 1 37:26

fun begins. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 37:29

It's the turning point. It is the turning point. It's fantastic. I love it.

Speaker 3 37:33

Now watch the final four episodes of Clone Wars and it'll make it even better. Oh, my goodness, because it happens during.

Speaker 1 37:38

Is Clone Wars a show? It's a cartoon show but it's like canon. It goes right along with everything. But while that is happening there, ahsoka is on Mandalore fighting Darth Maul. It's happening in real time these two things happening.

Speaker 3 37:55

There are two or three points in the Clone Wars show where you're like, oh wait, that is a moment from the movie that overlapped in the show, and so it just makes the movie, because they even digitize that scene with.

Speaker 3 38:07

Yeah, where they're standing around, it's a council meeting where some are on the hollow versions of themselves. It's really good, and the thing is is that the prequel movies are good, but there's some clunky writing in there and and uh, it's way better than the sequel trilogy because there at least was a story that, like here's an overarching story?

Speaker 2 38:27

yeah, for sure, and you understand the stage for the originals.

Speaker 3 38:31

You understand why Anakin goes the way he does, but it also feels abrupt at times, like he was just ready to arrest Palpatine and gain the trust of the council. Now he's killing young.

Speaker 2 38:41

It did move, it did move very, very fast.

Speaker 3 38:45

But when you watch the show and you see some of the he was already moving in that direction all throughout the Clone Wars getting darker and darker. And then the way the Council does his Padawan dirty yeah, they expelled her. And she was framed for an explosion bombing on the Jedi Temple.

Speaker 1 39:03

So she got framed for that and she was kicked out of the Order and he blamed them for that, and so you'd have all these things stacked up. And then the fact that he's In the Clone Wars. You see him the best general fighter of any of these people, outdoing Obi-Wan Kenobi and everything, and yet he's a master. He's not a master, but he's on the Council right.

Speaker 3 39:26

So that part hits more, because you're realizing the Council was afraid of him and they were holding him back.

Speaker 1 39:32

They really were holding him back.

Speaker 3 39:33

They mention things like that. They actually show you that in the Clone Wars.

Speaker 2 39:39

In the first three movies you get the impression that it's all Anakin's fault, Like the council really isn't holding him back Like dude just be patient and they're on your side. Palpatine seems manipulative in like oh you're on the council, but you're not a master.

Speaker 1 39:54

Yeah, obi-wan seems like a jerk, but then then when you think about the fact of obi-wan is more of a brother to him than a father and obi-wan I mean uh, qui-gon was supposed to be his father figure and he died and then he was raised basically by a brother, no wonder they had the sparring back and forth. No wonder wonder, you know, they had that kind of relationship where. So it really kind of it's a great thing when you watch Clone Wars. Unfortunately there's a lot of fluff in there that you that are frustrating you know to have to sift through. Well, after breaking down, after Breaking Bad.

Speaker 1 40:46

Did you see? But have you seen that whole Vader super clip of everything about Vader? Like the whole they have?

Speaker 1 40:55

some YouTube, youtube videos, that's like this whole story and when they add in the clone wars, they add in uh the, uh the clips from uh obi-wan uh show and all the stuff it's. It's a you're like I get emotional watching the whole thing. Yeah, I'll send it to you. It's just a really great clip. But anakin's always been james's favorite, so we watched revenge of the sith probably a dozen times before. He probably should have. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I held his face over, oh um, yeah, I didn't even.

Speaker 2 41:22

I didn't even do that. Lily was watching it the other night with me and I was like, man, this is good, I should probably shield their eyes, but this is too good.

Speaker 3 41:29

Yeah, I'd watch out for anakin. I'd watch out for James if Anakin's his favorite.

Speaker 1 41:35

Yeah, oh serious, that's a good point Okay.

Speaker 2 41:39

Do you have any strong attachments to older men?

Speaker 1 41:43

What do you mean? I'm not comfortable with where we're going with this one, not like that John.