69 - Was, Is Jesus His Real Name?

In this episode, we analyze a viral video questioning Jesus's name and explore the question of how we got “Jesus” from His Hebrew name “Yeshuah”. Is it wrong to call our Lord and Savior, Jesus? We'll dive into the significance of the names we call Jesus and God.

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Speaker 1 0:05

Welcome to the Exhorter podcast, where we aim to stir up love and good works through bite-sized biblical discussion. You know, speaking of bite-sized, that's how you eat an elephant right.

Speaker 2 0:18

One bite at a time? Yeah.

Speaker 1 0:21

Well, that's how we stir up biblical discussion. There we go Exactly With corn nuts.

Speaker 2 0:29

Where am I? What's going on? It's like a fully fully staged theater.

Speaker 1 0:36

John, how often does it go through your mind Like oh man, I have to edit all of this.

Speaker 2 0:42

Whatever I edit.

Speaker 3 0:44

No, no, no About as often as it goes through my mind that, hey, I don't have to edit this you.

Speaker 1 0:49

Does that ever cross your mind when we're doing the episodes all?

Speaker 2 0:52

the time, especially when kyle says hey, um, this right here, go back four minutes and put it there somewhere I feel bad for you.

Speaker 1 0:59

For I feel bad for you because all I.

Speaker 2 1:01

Actually it's worth it the gratitude of you feeling bad is actually worth all the time. Oh yeah, good, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 1:09

Thank you, oh great, my, my, uh, terrible thing makes you happy? Um, schadenfreude, schadenfreude. Yay, that's 20 of the things that don't get it. Um, anyways, uh, john, what are we talking about today?

Speaker 2 1:25

I'm not doing it today. It's him. Oh, Kyle, we have another one. From you yeah.

Speaker 3 1:33

I kind of like to go every other.

Speaker 2 1:35

I just feel like it's good if we do every other. You didn't do one today, no, no, my point is you record one. He does one. I do one. He does one, he should do 50% of them.

Speaker 1 1:47

He's smarter, he's getting paid. He should do 80% of them because he's 20% of the group. There you go.

Speaker 3 1:57

By volume and mass. I am 80% of the group 80% of the group. Okay.

Speaker 2 2:01

However, we record these isn't the way they come out in edit form necessarily.

Speaker 3 2:06

Wow. So, kyle, today we're talking about Jesus. Anyone want to talk about Jesus? Today we're going to talk about the name of Jesus because there's a lot of people out there that have some questions about what name do we call him. Is Jesus just kind of an Americanized or westernized form, and is he upset that we're maybe calling him by the wrong name? That it'd be like if I went to a foreign country and they mispronounce my name. Is that what we're doing to Jesus? And we can even kind of expand this to the names of God, whether Jehovah, yahweh, or should we go more into the old Hebrew? Do we need to be speaking the Hebrew names Now? There's a clip that got passed around on Instagram that a lot of people have paid attention to. It's gotten a lot of traction. We even had one of our listeners send it to us and ask our feedback on it.

Speaker 2 3:02

Yeah, and they just said why do people say Jesus isn't his real name? And they sent this link. Should I just play it for everyone?

Speaker 3 3:11

Yeah, John, let's play at least a few seconds of it. It kind of goes on a little bit you cannot worship the Father in a false name.

Speaker 4 3:20

Let's break everything down. I'm going to give you scripture and I'm going to give you evidence of what I'm telling you. Elohim is Ruach. That means spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth Must. The truth is his name is Yahuwah and the Messiah's name is Yahusha, psalm 68, verse 4. Even in a lot of the newer translations of the scriptures, they tell you his name. This is the New King James Version. Sing to the Most High, sing praises to his name, extol him who rides on the clouds, by his name Yah. That is your precept, telling you to worship him in spirit and in truth. The truth is his name is Yah, yahua, yahusha. Why do you think we say hallelujah? That means praise added to Yah. Hallel means praise, the U means to add and the Yah is the father's name, yahua. We don't say hallelujah, we say hallelujah.

Speaker 3 4:26

Okay, that's enough, john, you can kind of stop there. We don't need to hear the whole thing. Yeah, but I think we get the sense in what this is saying and what many people are contending that it is important to God that we say his name. We say the name of Jesus, but in the proper Hebrew way and it is suggested. There's various pronunciations. And I'll just say the name of Jesus, but in the proper Hebrew way and it is suggested. There's various pronunciations.

Speaker 3 4:48

And I'll just say right out of the gate it's true that the name Jesus, as we pronounce it, isn't, technically speaking, the biblical name that's in the original texts. It's definitely a westernized transliteration of a transliteration, but is it wrong? I don't think it's wrong to say Jesus, and there's a lot of confusion about what his name actually is. So let me just say right out of the gate do you guys think that there's a problem with that video? What are your thoughts on it? Do you think he really cares what name we call him? What's your just initial, before we get into the meat of this discussion, what's just your initial reaction?

Speaker 1 5:33

to that video, my initial reaction is like words have meaning because we, meaning a culture or society of people, assign meaning to those sounds. So you know, I don't know the you could use the silly example of the word C in Spanish means yes. In English, if you said C, it would mean the letter C, right, or I see something over there as in vision, and so it only has meaning because we, we as a group of people who speak English or who speak Spanish we assign meaning to those things. Does that meaning change over time and across cultures? Yes, do I think that God understands that and knows what I'm meaning when I say Jesus? Yes, yes, I think that. So I don't know if that answers your question.

Speaker 3 6:26

Kind of a relative approach or a relative answer, that and I say that to people all the time all words are made up.

Speaker 2 6:33

Yeah, honestly, it sounds. When I hear things like this, I think of someone that's wanting to sound like some sort of thought leader, innovator, pioneer of a new idea, or something it sounds like they're wanting to sound. I mean, it just comes off as holier than thou.

Speaker 2 6:53

It's as if I have the real truth. You don't, and all you guys are calling upon Satan anyways. It's provocative, right? That's the whole point of this kind of a thing. I don't think that that's not ministering to anyone, that's not helping anyone, that's not really doing anything other than just saying y'all are wrong. This is the right way, and I've discovered something new that everyone's missed.

Speaker 2 7:15

That's the thing is, people are always wanting, especially about the gospel. You see this a lot in younger people all the time. I'm not saying I know how old this guy is, but from his look he looks pretty young.

Speaker 3 7:24

Young people are the worst.

Speaker 2 7:25

The worst, anyone below 40. Sorry, you too.

Speaker 3 7:28

But his argument is certainly not based on solid hermeneutics or even linguistic logic.

Speaker 2 7:33

It's like he, it's like, okay, this person. We'll just say it's as if someone hears a social media video on something and now just 100% believe it is gospel and we're running with it. You know, they do it all the time. Yeah, here's the thing. If there's sound truth in something, it's worth consideration.

Speaker 1 7:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 7:58

But there's also just the way some things are presented and these ideas, at least in these aspects and how I'm seeing it here, it's really not done that way. It's done to be provocative, it's done to be um, um, to kind of chase in people.

Speaker 1 8:11

Yeah, and I I think about like does God know what I'm thinking? Does he know the attitude of my heart when I am saying things? Yeah, I think that he does. And so if I mispronounce a name um or I don't say it, like the ancient Hebrews said it, um does he understand in my heart what, what I am trying to do? I think so, and I think the opposite is true too. What if I get every syllable exactly correct as it was in the original language, but I don't live it out or don't? Then what does it matter? That I can pronounce it correctly?

Speaker 3 8:54

Now, does that logic hold up when you apply it to your wife, for example? Well, if you get her name wrong?

Speaker 2 9:00

Well, it depends on who's Depends, on what I call her, and if it's an ex's name, that's what I call her, and if it's an X, that's what I had to point. Well, here's the thing is, though, we live in a world where, if you mispronounce the word, let's just say the name Kamala you're a bigot, so it's.

Speaker 1 9:15

Kamala, do you have to edit that out? I don't know.

Speaker 2 9:19

I'm going to leave it in there, but that's the thing is lying Kamala this lands a little different and probably in this day and age, because we are, people are being made to be so super hyper sensitive about words and about the way that we say things and not to offend. And to what kind of Bible am I supposed to go out and find to get this right? How many versions of the Bible have I been messing up in the last 40 years on this planet that I've been reading? My grandfather preached for like 60 years and maybe even longer, and I have all his Bibles going back to the turn of the century and I have never seen a Bible where it was. At what point are we trying to be revisionist history here, as we're getting this wrong? It's like out of where does this come that we're wrong? It's just Greek, right? Are we going back to the Hebrew?

Speaker 3 10:16

Bible. Here's what's interesting is we look at it in the insistences that we call him by his proper Hebrew name name, but of course, jesus is a New Testament figure and the quote-unquote Hebrew language of the New Testament is actually, more precisely Aramaic, a related language. That's the language spoken by Paul, by Jesus, in the first century. Even though it shares the same Hebrew characters. In writing form they spoke Aramaic. So what you're getting is it's so convoluted to try and get to the bottom of how we got names like Jesus or Jehovah, because if you've watched, what is it? The last crusade, indiana Jones last Crusade. We all know that there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet, otherwise you might fall through the floor and die on some big pointy spikes.

Speaker 3 11:20

It's really interesting but man, it's so over my head from a scholarly standpoint. But I do understand that the Hebrew of the New Testament is more specifically Aramaic. That's what the Jews of the first century. They knew Hebrew, but it was mostly relegated to religious services. The common language was Aramaic, a sister language, a sister language. So when Paul and Jesus spoke Aramaic and they likely did much of their regular conversations in Aramaic the writings of the New Testament were in Greek.

Speaker 3 11:51

So you're getting this just confluence of Hebrew, aramaic and Greek and it makes this really peculiar cocktail that is just hard to decipher sometimes. So the name Jesus in Aramaic is not precisely the same as Jesus in Hebrew, but they mean the same thing. And that's where, if you want to get technical, it's not Yahashua or I don't remember what the guy said in the video Yeshua. So if you do want to be technical, yes, jesus is more of a westernized transliteration, but Yeshua is also the Aramaic transliteration of Yahushua, which is where we get Joshua. That's the Hebrew name, because Joshua, moses' right-hand man, has the exact same name as Jesus. But in Hebrew and Aramaic they're slightly different and you see that in the text. But it's really the same name. Yeah, is it?

Speaker 2 12:51

an enunciation or is it a translation Like is. Is this the same as doing like Jorge and George, or is?

Speaker 3 12:59

it not not quite translation from one language to another and I am far from an expert on this, but I do. I know enough to be able to say that translation is not as simple as one plus one equals two. Yeah, from one language to another it doesn't match up perfectly. And let me just say in Hebrew it is spelled like this, and I don't want to get too much more technical on a podcast because this is really better in written form. You need to see this stuff.

Speaker 3 13:29

But in Hebrew it is capital Y apostrophe, h-o-s-h-u-a apostrophe, and those apostrophes are like partial, they're partial syllables, and so there is no English correspondence when we go from the Hebrew Aramaic characters in English. So it really is impossible to kind of sort out. So what we do is from one language to another. We have to do our best. That's why you get transliteration. If we don't know what the corresponding word from language A to language B is, let's just take it from language A and make it, let's just jam it into language B and make some minor alterations, and that's what happened from Hebrew to Aramaic, to Greek to English, and filter in a little bit of German translations in the 1500s, and that's where we get Jesus and Jehovah. But to translate it you have to lose some of the syllables.

Speaker 2 14:30

But should that matter? So, because we use some of these names a lot of times, now they sound. They might sound very Anglinized, but we're also choosing names from the Bible. That's why they sound normal. Now, right, so which is inferring the other right, my son Luke. Well, you know, I named him after Luke in the Bible.

Speaker 1 14:54

And it's one thing to call a person by, to mispronounce their name. It's another thing to like, call them whatever that name is in a different language. Like my name is Nate. Well, I've heard Spanish people say net. Well, that's not truly like, like that's not Nate, that's, but that's how they say it in their language. You know that's how they would pronounce it in their language. I'm not. I'm not offended at that. I know who they're talking language. You know that's how they would pronounce it in their language. I'm not offended at that. I know who they're talking to. I know what they're talking about. Like big deal, I guess, if somebody, like if I told them hey, my name is Nate, and they just kept going around saying oh Nat, oh Nat.

Speaker 2 15:42

Actually it's Nate. But what if they couldn't say that? And that is their way of saying it in their language.

Speaker 1 15:49

So I mean, if someone was saying the name in hebrew, if it's a different language, it's like oh, big deal I know what they're talking about.

Respecting God's Name and Intent

Speaker 2 15:54

That point. It's like an accent, right, that's them, that's their culture, they're just I don't know.

Speaker 3 15:59

So I had some friends misinterpret me. When I moved to oregon in middle school and started making new friends and was introducing myself, they misinterpreted me as saying Carl Goodwin. And so for the rest of the rest of middle school and high school those most people knew me as Kyle. But that small group they were some of my first friends because we rode the same bus and they lived in my neighborhood they called me Carl for the rest of high school and it was. It was funny, but it wasn't my name and I didn't take offense to it and it was something that like an inside joke between us that it was special to me so it didn't bother me. However, on my graduation you walk up to the stage, get your diploma, you say your name and then they say it out loud over the speaker. They also misheard me and said Carl Goodwin and I that was a different reaction.

Speaker 3 16:45

I was just like whatever high school.

Speaker 2 16:47

I'm so over you. Did you have like a severe overbite or something Like what, what? What why are you saying your name wrong?

Speaker 3 16:52

I don't know, Maybe that's why I got into preaching is like I just need to get into public speaking as a job now.

Speaker 2 16:56

A-L-K.

Speaker 3 16:57

my letterman's jacket had J-O so people call me Jennifer so it's one thing if it's important to you or someone's purposely mispronouncing your name. I could see where people get the idea that mispronouncing God's name could be offensive, but there's also a lot of instances where well no, that doesn't hold up. When I go to summer camp as a counselor, all the kids call me Mr Kyle, and that's weird. I grew up in Oregon where everyone's casual you call adults by their first name, which is shocking to people in the South or whatever. But I didn't ask him to call me Mr Kyle, but that's just what they call me and that's really the only place people call me Mr Kyle. So, but I'm fine with it.

Speaker 1 17:36

They should call you Mr Carl. Carl, I just think, and I think it would be like petty of God to be like they're mispronouncing my name. I'm not going to accept their worship.

Speaker 3 17:49

Well, I think that's where people I think largely in the Ten Commandments taking the name of God in vain. I think largely people have made that into a superstitious thing. That and that gets into a whole nother side of this.

Speaker 1 18:02

Do we call him Jehovah, or do we call him Yahweh, or is it even really relating to what we call him, or more of the idea of this might be a side topic? Like I call myself a follower of God and now I'm not living up to that.

Speaker 3 18:19

Like I have taken his name in vain, yeah, it has nothing to do with how I pronounce it. Taking God's name in vain is calling on his name without any fear or respect for that power, without any knowledge of who that God really is. And Israel did that all the time. They took the Ark of the Covenant into battle because they thought, well, God's our lucky charm.

Speaker 2 18:40

They were forcing his hand as if they were going to make him show up and do their will.

Speaker 3 18:43

We're calling on his name, but we haven't even consulted him if we should be in this fight to begin with, so using his name in a way that shows no respect. That's the point there. But it became more of a superstitious fear, taking God's name in vain. So his name, yahweh, which you could trace that back to, I am, and again, that's another Hebrew lesson that, coming from me, just won't make any sense, so is that what we should call him?

Speaker 1 19:10

I am. But in Hebrew he says I am has sent me to you.

Speaker 3 19:14

And in Hebrew it's I-ya, asher, i-ya, and so we take that word E-H-Y-E-H, I-ya, I am, and that's very similar to Yahweh, the third person form of I am, which is H-A-Y-A-H, hi-yah oh wait, that's karate. But here's where it gets fun is, for fear of taking his name in vain, they stopped speaking it out loud. And in Hebrew text, to save space, they would just write without vowels, no vowel pointings, just consonants. So you get I-H-W-H. And that's where, for generations, that's all we had was those four consonants, known to many as the Tetragrammaton Cool reference to a good Christian Bale movie, by the way, a deep cut right there but it's a four consonants. That represents the name of God, likely a derivative of that phrase I am.

Speaker 3 20:17

And then where we get Jehovah is really crazy. In Hebrew text you'd have kind of this there was a system where there would be um footnotes, cause they respected the written word, but then they would also put footnotes for how to say it. Uh, and when you got to the name, why HWH? It was just a known rule that when you were reading it in the synagogue you would use Adonai or Elohim, one of the other designations for God, because you wouldn't say Yahweh out loud. But in the 1400s, 1500s, when you're getting some of the earliest German translations, they would be reading these old Hebrew texts. They would see YHWH and then, for the vowel pointings, they would see Adonai, and they would take the vowels from Adonai and superimpose it into the consonants YHWH and then filter that through the German translation that they're working on. That's how you get J instead of Y and that's where you get Jehovah.

Speaker 3 21:15

So, Jehovah is not, and I did not do a good job explaining it, I'm just, I think I get the gist.

Speaker 3 21:20

Yeah, there's better articles that get into more precise details, but I'm getting the main points correct, all right. I think I get the gist. Yeah, there's better articles that get into more precise details, but I'm getting the main points correct, all right. So even Jehovah is not technically correct, but I don't mind if people say it. Many Bibles still say Jehovah because, to your point at the very beginning, when I asked your reaction, nate is. All words are made up, we use Jehovah in our language language and we mean the same God. And as for this video on Instagram that we sampled earlier, he gets into this idea that saying Jesus is actually a derivative of some demonic name or some pagan God and cite your source that was named that after Jesus.

Speaker 3 22:02

Yeah, cite your sources. I don't know where that's even coming from. When I say Jesus, God is smart enough to know I don't mean a demon. Personally, I just think, like I said, it was just such a chaotic cocktail of languages all mixing together that it's so convoluted and mixed up that I think it's just. I think it borders on arrogance to think you can wade through all of that and find the one simple, true answer yeah did God tell him not to use the say his name?

Speaker 3 22:32

Well, and I never see God striking someone dead for saying his name.

Speaker 2 22:37

Right, so like if, if you get down to this, when people acted presumptuously in his name.

Speaker 3 22:41

Yeah, he took action but, for just saying the wrong name. I never read someone being struck dead for that.

Speaker 1 22:47

You know, I think there's something to be said for well, obviously, for respecting God's name, for respecting Jesus's name. I think they matter, and I think what it shows more than anything is not that we understand how to spell it or say it or pronounce it, but that we, that our hearts and our minds, have the right attitude towards it.

Speaker 2 23:12

Or we had talked about euphemisms, or I mean I think we're going to talk about blasphemy as well, but words matter and the heart matters. We say these kinds of things and it's really difficult.

Speaker 2 23:23

So I think this is good, especially with kids and young people, just to actually have these conversations and talk about them what they really mean, because intent does matter. I mean you can't just rule that out, because that's when we start using the Lord's name in vain or start misusing words that should have some reverence to it, like you know hell, like just different words, that they have a meaning, and it's really good for us to be very precise and care about that. I'm kind of curious, though if you went next week to a congregation and they used only Yeshua and Adonai if that's what they used for any time anyone went up to the pulpit and talked about would that feel weird and bother you? Would you acknowledge and understand why they're doing that?

Speaker 2 24:21

I'm just kind of curious as to, like okay, in its example, if people really feel convicted, is this like meat? Is this something that I'm not convicted in that way? I don't really feel it. But should I just be understanding and respectful to those people who it is, or is that wrong? Is it wrong for them to lay such a claim and focus on saying it in? You know, in trying to original language, you know what I mean, like, how do we in real life this is an Instagram post so it's easy to dismiss anything online but, like in person, if we're actually talking to people and we know someone, actually this is their practice how do we deal with that and how does?

Speaker 3 25:01

it make us feel. If you want to do that at your weird church, that's fine, just don't come into our church and tell us we're doing something wrong. What?

Speaker 2 25:09

if someone came up to the pulpit and did a prayer next week after hearing something like that, and that's all they went through, right, I think, if that's what their heart convicts them.

The Importance of Names in Christianity

Speaker 3 25:18

Yeah, like I said at the beginning, I fully acknowledge that Jesus is not, strictly speaking. If I could just bring some sort of conclusion to my jumbled mess of an attempted Hebrew lesson here Um, when we go from Hebrew is Yahashua to Aramaic, which is Yeshua, and then the way it's actually written in Greek, all right, so you get Yeshua and you get that full E vowel at the beginning, and that's how you get into the Greek language. Um, iesous, if I'm saying that, right, is that what they get? Yesu Christi.

Speaker 2 25:53

Iesous.

Speaker 3 25:54

I-E-S-O-U-S. That's how it appears in the Greek language, and again, the cool thing is, though, is Joshua and Jesus in Hebrew is exactly the same, but in the New Testament, joshua is. In the Greek. It's slightly different it's Iosue I-O-S-U-E, because they're taking the Hebrew Yahashua and turning it into Greek, whereas with Jesus. That's why his name in Greek is slightly different, because they're taking the Aramaic form of the same name.

Speaker 3 26:29

So it's a really big mess. And here's if I could just put some sort of conclusion to this, some sort of answer to this question that I think is somewhat definitive. You look at a text like Philippians 2, verses 9 through 11,. Therefore, god has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the father. I'll give you three guesses as to what name is there in the original Greek for Jesus. And hint, it's not Yeshua. I Yeshua, exactly, exactly, okay, it's the Greek one.

Speaker 4 27:13

It is the Greek name for.

Speaker 3 27:14

Jesus. That is how Paul wrote it in his epistles it says this is the name that every knee will bow to. So Paul was wrong.

Speaker 2 27:22

Yeah, okay, so if Paul was wrong and he was episodic and then, then yeah, so my point is just that Paul is fine with writing the Greek transliteration of the.

Speaker 3 27:38

Aramaic name Yeshua. Then why should it be a big deal if we use the English transliteration of the Greek transliteration?

Speaker 2 27:46

of that name. Yeah, Dead language right.

Speaker 3 27:50

So we had to use something who we're talking about and knowing the person. So we had to use something who we're talking about and knowing the person. And you know, I think of Ecclesiastes, where Solomon says extensive devotion to books is wearisome. I wonder if this could be sacrilegious. But I wonder if that could even apply to the Bible. There are some people that just like, sorry, did I strike a nerve, john? Yeah, breathe in a little tear in the suit, excuse me.

Speaker 2 28:13

Yeah, no sorry there are some. Did I strike a nerve, John? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Breathe in a little tear in the suit dust.

Speaker 1 28:17

Excuse me, yeah, no, no, leave that one in there.

Speaker 3 28:19

But there are some people, man, that just get so deep on a subject that like I want to tell them, like that guy in the video, like you need to stop. You need to stop overanalyzing this, and when's the last time you went out and just told someone about whether you call him Yeshua or Jesus?

Speaker 3 28:37

you need to go tell someone about him, instead of spending all your time researching some topic that you'll never fully understand. Teachers, and that's what I think this really boils down to is that it in effect, it brings back that heresy of arguing that the only way to Christ is through Judaism and the New Testament plainly refutes that time and time again to think that he has to be pronounced in the Hebrew way. It's just a modern take on the Judaizing teachers of the first century.

Speaker 2 29:13

Also, why are they doing it? I mean, if you want to read into that instagram and other things. There's some pseudo-intellectualism there, there's some faux visionary, there's some, but also a lot of times you'll find people use that then like what are they going to say next when they say something like this, what are they saying next?

Speaker 1 29:31

it's like it's like where are they leading this to? Or?

Speaker 2 29:34

like what reasoning. It's like when someone takes a Bible verse out of context and you hear them misinterpret it and you're thinking, okay, well, why are you saying that? What's your point in that? And then you find they're pushing an agenda or a new way of thinking about a scripture you know for their purposes. So I mean, take those kinds of things with grains of salt. People just want to be sensational, especially online.

Speaker 3 30:03

When it comes to the name of our Father. I like Father, whether you call him Yahweh, jehovah, adonai, I think the important thing, and so this kind of connects from Jesus to the Father. Galatians, chapter 4, says in verse 5 that he has redeemed us who are under the law so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, god has sent the spirit of his son into our hearts, crying Abba, father, you are no longer a slave but a son, and of a son that an heir through God. So we could call him all kinds of names and debate over which is exactly his name. I think the point of the New Testament, I think the point of the work of Jesus.

Speaker 3 30:43

No one called him father prior to Jesus. I mean, in a sense, there are a few scriptures that allude to him being the father of the nation of Israel, but no one in the personal sense called him their father. And that's why they wanted to stone Jesus and put him to death for blasphemy, because he said God was his father. But through his death on the cross and through that act of reconciliation, that redemption of our lives from slavery, we now become sons of God and we call him our father, and that's how Jesus taught us to pray to our father. So we could debate till we're blue in the face about what name is precisely right. There's a certain part of me that acknowledges it's important, but there's another part of me that says I don't really care, because he's my father. That's the name that matters the most to me.

Speaker 1 31:30

I don't think my kids even know my real full name.

Speaker 2 31:34

They just call me dad, just think about that though.

Speaker 1 31:38

That's a good point I think Ashley asked Lily the other night you know what's daddy's name and she was like I don't know.

Speaker 2 31:44

I told them my real name is Johan von Bradford, and then they went back to her believing that I was some sort of Russian.

Speaker 3 31:51

I was going to say didn't show your kids you're.

Speaker 1 31:53

Russian.

Speaker 2 31:53

I did so every once in a while. I'll just go like and they're just like what? And next week? Lying to your kids A little funny.

Speaker 3 32:03

Ongoing prank Are there even gingers in Russia.

Speaker 1 32:09

I don't know, not anymore. They're pretty far north.

Speaker 3 32:14

Well, listeners, if you come across an argument like this, take some time to investigate it, Think through it, but don't be put off by a topic like this. Don't feel like you're missing something that only some expert can fill you in on. God made the Bible to be understandable for us all. God gave us his son so that we can relate to him as our father, and it's important to think through these things. It's important to consider all aspects of a question, but don't feel like this is something.

Speaker 2 32:50

If you're convicted to question this, that's good thing. Well, if you're convicted, you know, to question this, that's good. You should, because you should want to know and to make sure that what your understanding of the gospel is is correct, so that's good. I would just always take these things from online resources and things that aren't really trusted sources online and that can be really trendy and pervasive, and just always kind of run those through some grain of salt, and it's a good thing you know this person brought this up and we're talking about it. I enjoyed the conversation.

Speaker 1 33:20

Yeah, I, you know, I don't know how valuable this is, but just apply common sense. Common sense says uh, how much does it really matter that the our pronunciation is perfect? I don't think it really does, Common sense.

Speaker 3 33:37

Boom, mic dropped. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 33:41

I don't know how beneficial that was. Oh yeah, just playing with you. I agree, I agree.

Speaker 1 33:50

Well, kyle, thank you for a great episode on the names of God, the name of Jesus, and kind of helping us understand the etymology of that and why it does or doesn't matter too much if we get the pronunciation perfect according to the ancient Hebrew. So great food for thought. Thanks, kyle.

Speaker 3 34:10

As long as you know God and know Jesus. I'm not saying it doesn't matter what you call them. I'm just saying that that no God, no Jesus, no them. Uh, more in focus on that, there's your 20% 80% split. Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:26

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Speaker 2 34:33

One, two, three apples peaches pears, you forgot kumquats and persimmons. No, apples peaches pears got pop those peas, pop, pop the arsonist had oddly shaped feet well, god is our father and Jesus is our brother.

Speaker 3 34:49

so just just think Hulk Hogan brother, yeah, brother, are we supposed to? Is our brother. So just just think Hulk Hogan brother, yeah brother.

Speaker 2 34:54

Are we supposed?

Speaker 1 34:55

to call him our brother. God.

Speaker 2 34:59

Our bro in Christ.

Speaker 1 35:00

Hebrews talks about that.

Speaker 2 35:03

Is bro bringing it down too?

Speaker 1 35:05

Oh yeah, Now we're now we're being disrespectful.

Speaker 3 35:09

Daddy God, I pray to you in the name of our bro. I pray to you in the name of bro Dude. That is so used now. Do you know that? What, daddy God? I pray to you in the name of Bro. Oh, my goodness. I pray to you in the name of Bro Dude. That is so, bro-seph, it was so used. Now Do?

Speaker 2 35:16

you know that. What Daddy God?

Speaker 1 35:19

Don't get me started on that I have heard a lot of that.

Speaker 2 35:22

No, just people actually out there in community, christian churches and stuff, daddy God.

Speaker 3 35:26

Okay, I was joking around, but that does bring up a point that does irritate me a little bit. We can get carried away with the names of God and get a little too flippant on the other side of it.

Speaker 3 35:36

It comes from that, the couple of times in the Bible that talk about Abba Father the Galatians 4, then Romans 8 and verse 15, we didn't receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you've received the spirit of adoption of sons, by whom we cry Abba, father. So that word Abba, my understanding is, is the Aramaic term and it might be something like dad or father. It might be more of a term of endearment, but I don't. I think that's running too far with the image to say it's not necessarily an informal, super informal or casual word.

Speaker 3 36:10

It's a respectful term but it isn't as formal as father. But I think interpreting it as calling him daddy, daddy, god, is A little juvenile.

Speaker 1 36:21

Yeah, it's, yeah, it's just a little juvenile Unnecessary.

Speaker 3 36:25

If you want to do that at your weird church go ahead.

Speaker 1 36:31

One thing you don't want to mispronounce is the Exhorter podcast Ex-tor, ex-tor, ex-horter, ex-horter.

Speaker 2 36:44

The E-X-O. These are all silent. The H-O, the E-X-H-O.

Speaker 1 36:50

The Exhorter podcast. Ooh, the hoarder podcast.

Speaker 2 36:53

The hoarder podcast. The ex-hoarder, the ex-arder podcast. Ooh, the hoarder podcast. The hoarder podcast. The ex hoarder, the ex hoarder I used to hoard, but I don't hoard anymore.

Speaker 1 36:59

Very good Podcast.